eap Mailing List: RE: RE: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-11.txt

[Glen Zorn (gwz) (gwz]

Adrangi, Farid <mailto:farid.adrangi [at] intel.com> supposedly
scribbled:

> I don't recall talking about an IESG note on the mailing list! 
> Anyhow, as to your strawman IESG note, it should be noted that the
> draft was reviewed and accepted by IEEE 802.11 

I'm not sure what this means.  Does it mean accepted as in "whatever
you want to do" or as in adopted as correct?  

> (WIEN? - 

Last time I checked, WIEN was just a study group (the 802.11
equivalent of a BOF).  Has this changed?

> the WG has
> sent an official review report to IETF.  

Did we receive a liaison from the 802.11 Working Group or a note
from the WIEN Study Group?  There's a big difference...

> And also, I would remove the
> last part of the note: "and it is not recommended for
implementation
> outside of 3GPP."  I think we should state the facts about the
> solution 

Unless the draft has changed drastically for the better, the facts
were pretty slim, certainly too slim for it to be called a
"solution" (without volumes of supporting documentation).

> and let the implementer decided whether or not the solution
> is suitable for their deployments outside 3GPP. 

If and when the RFC Editor becomes a vanity publisher for 3GPP, I
will agree; until then, however, I think that we at least a right
(if not a duty) to publish applicability statements that express the
opinions of the IETF (regardless if those opinions coincide with
those of the author(s)).


> BR,      
> Farid
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:aboba [at] internaut.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 5:08 PM
>> To: Adrangi, Farid
>> Cc: eap [at] frascone.com; iesg [at] ietf.org; Jari Arkko; gwz [at] 
>> cisco.com;
>> jsalowey [at] cisco.com; Pasi.Eronen [at] nokia.com; Eugene Chang
>> Subject: RE: [eap] RE: FW: I-D
>> ACTION:draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-11.txt
>> 
>> 
>> I think we were talking about an IESG note in addition to
material in
>> the applicability statement, no?
>> 
>> For example, EAP SIM contains the following note:
>> 
>> IESG Note
>> 
>>    The EAP-SIM protocol was developed by 3GPP.  The documentation
of
>>    EAP-SIM is provided as information to the Internet community.
>>    While the EAP WG has verified that EAP-SIM is compatible with
EAP
>>    as defined in RFC 3748, no other review has been done,
including
>>    validation of the security claims.
>> 
>> Here is a potential strawman note for the EAP Network Discovery
>> document: 
>> 
>>    EAP Network Discovery was developed by 3GPP.  Documentation is
>>    provided as information to the Internet community.  While the
>>    EAP WG has verified that EAP Network Discovery is compatible
with
>>    EAP as defined in RFC 3748, no other review has been done,
>>    including investigation of potential security issues.  There
is
>>    work underway in IEEE 802.11 which may provide similar
>>    functionality, enabling an EAP peer to determine network
>>    availability prior to handoff.  As a result, the approach
>>    described in this document may be superceded by future
standards,
>>    and it is not recommended for implementation outside of 3GPP.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Adrangi, Farid wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, just to be clear, the link below contains the update we
made
>>> to the applicability section in -011 version, based on Glen's
>>> comment on -10 version in the last WG meeting.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Farid
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: eap-admin [at] frascone.com [mailto:eap-admin [at] frascone.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Adrangi, Farid Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:33 AM
>>>> To: Bernard Aboba
>>>> Cc: eap [at] frascone.com; iesg [at] ietf.org; Jari Arkko; gwz [at] 
>>>> cisco.com;
>>>> jsalowey [at] cisco.com; Pasi.Eronen [at] nokia.com; Eugene Chang
>>>> Subject: [eap] RE: FW: I-D
>>>> ACTION:draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-11.txt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think so! The applicability section was introduced in version
>>>> -08. Since then we have made several updates to that section
based
>>>> on comments from Glen Zorn, Eugene Chang, Jari Arkko, and
>>>> yourself.  The updates to this section was made based on Glen
>>>> Zorn's comment during the last IETF meeting (relayed to me by
>>>> Pasi) -- the exact change is captured in
>>>> http://mng.ctgisp.com/IETF/EAP/Network%20Selection/issues-1.tx 
>>>> t  -- see
>>>> #3.  Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>>> BR,
>>>> Farid
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:aboba [at] internaut.com]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:08 AM
>>>>> To: Adrangi, Farid
>>>>> Cc: eap [at] frascone.com; iesg [at] ietf.org; Jari Arkko;
gwz [at] cisco.com;
>>>>> jsalowey [at] cisco.com Subject: Re: FW: I-D
>>>> ACTION:draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-11.txt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I recall there was a discussion relating to the appropriate
>>>>> applicability statement that should be attached to this
document.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have we come to agreement on what the applicability statement
>>>>> should be? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Adrangi, Farid wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>> In this version, we have done some editorial fixes through
out
>>>>>> the document and addressed issues brought up during IESG
review.
>>>>>> ** Editorial changes are summarized in
>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://mng.ctgisp.com/IETF/EAP/Network%20Selection/Editorial_c
>>>>> hanges.txt
>>>>>> ** List of issues with their resolutions are summarized in
>>>>>> 
>> http://mng.ctgisp.com/IETF/EAP/Network%20Selection/issues-1.txt
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Farid
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: i-d-announce-bounces [at] ietf.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces [at] ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Internet-Drafts [at] ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:04
AM
>>>>>>> To: i-d-announce [at] ietf.org
>>>>>>> Subject: I-D
>> ACTION:draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-11.txt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
>>>>>>> Internet-Drafts directories.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>         Title           : Identity selection hints for
>>>>>>> Extensible Authentication
>>>>>>>                           Protocol (EAP)
>>>>>>>         Author(s)       : F. Adrangi, et al.
>>>>>>>         Filename        :
>>>> draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-11.txt
>>>>>>>         Pages           : 13
>>>>>>>         Date            : 2005-3-25
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) is defined in
RFC
>>>>>>>    3748. This document defines a mechanism that allows an
>>>>>>>    access network to provide identity selection hints to an
EAP
>>>>>>>    peer.  The purpose is to assist the EAP peer in selecting
an
>>>>>>>    appropriate Network Access Identifier (NAI) when there is
no
>>>>>>>    direct roaming relationship between the access network
and
>>>>>>>    the peer's home network.  In this case, authentication is
>>>>>>>    typically accomplished via a mediating network such as a
>>>>>>> roaming consortium or broker. 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-adrangi-eap-network-
>>>>>> discovery-11.txt
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Hope this helps,

~gwz

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