eap Mailing List: RE: Comments on draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt

[Bari, Farooq (Farooq.Bari]

Hi Joe,

Following is link to the stage 3 (i.e. detailed design document) TS
24.234 that has this draft listed as reference. The latest rev is 6.1.1
that is being worked on.
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/html-info/24234.htm

If it makes everyone happy we can include a reference to this document
in the IETF draft.

BR,

Farooq

-----Original Message-----
From: Salowey, Joe [mailto:jsalowey [at] cisco.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 5:50 PM
To: Bari, Farooq; Zorn, Glen; Adrangi, Farid; iesg [at] ietf.org
Cc: Lortz, Victor; Pasi.Eronen [at] nokia.com; eap [at] frascone.com; Stephen
Hayes (TX/EUS)
Subject: RE: [eap] RE: Comments on
draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt

Hi Farooq,

Perhaps there is an informative 3GPP document that this draft can
reference.

Thanks,

Joe 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bari, Farooq [mailto:Farooq.Bari [at] cingular.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:22 PM
> To: Zorn, Glen; Adrangi, Farid; iesg [at] ietf.org
> Cc: Lortz, Victor; Pasi.Eronen [at] nokia.com; eap [at] frascone.com; 
> Stephen Hayes (TX/EUS); Salowey, Joe
> Subject: RE: [eap] RE: Comments on 
> draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt
> 
> Hi Glen,
> 
> I am not sure why you are opening this particular discussion 
> at the last minute, more than a year after we closed this 
> topic in the EAP WG group.
> FYI again, as it was stated several times, this draft is to 
> be used by 3GPP (http://www.3gpp.org/TB/Other/IETF.htm) for 
> their interworking with WLAN. The roaming scenarios are based 
> on 3GPP models and they work fine.
> Trying to answer your questions in this manner will take 
> forever and is not productive - their were several 
> opportunities for you in the last two years as you do 
> attend/follow the EAP WG and the draft went through not one 
> but two pseudo WG last calls.
> 
> And please do not twist other person's comments.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Farooq
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen Zorn (gwz) [mailto:gwz [at] cisco.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:24 PM
> To: 'Adrangi, Farid'; Bari, Farooq; iesg [at] ietf.org
> Cc: 'Lortz, Victor'; Pasi.Eronen [at] nokia.com; eap [at] frascone.com
> Subject: RE: [eap] RE: Comments on
> draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt
> 
> Adrangi, Farid <mailto:farid.adrangi [at] intel.com> supposedly
> scribbled:
> 
> > Hi Glen,
> > I don't think Farooq was implying that (security properties of
> WLANs
> > are identical to those of cellular networks).  Anyhow, in your 
> > example, either Megatel.com knows that it needs to route
> @bigco.com
> > to Consort.com (based on some local policy),
> 
> So the local proxy needs to have a list of all of 
> Consort.com's partners?  Otherwise, won't it send a set of 
> hints (which we've established wouldn't include Bigco.com, 
> and therefore seem pretty much useless in this case) back to 
> the client?
> 
> > or the user influences
> > the routing by NAI decoration. 
> 
> Does the latter option exist, unless the user happens to know 
> all the relationships involved?
> 
> > -Farid   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Glen Zorn (gwz) [mailto:gwz [at] cisco.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:30 AM
> >> To: 'Bari, Farooq'; Adrangi, Farid; iesg [at] ietf.org
> >> Cc: Lortz, Victor; Pasi.Eronen [at] nokia.com; eap [at] frascone.com
> >> Subject: RE: [eap] RE: Comments on
> >> draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt
> >> 
> >> 
> >> OK, now that we've established that the security properties of
> WLANs
> >> are identical to those of cellular networks (I wish that Farooq
> had
> >> pointed this out several years ago -- it would have saved a lot
> of
> >> time in 802.11i), I guess we can dispense with any further
> discussion
> >> of such things.  Furthermore, no enterprise networks will be
> listed
> >> in the hints, just SPs.  Suppose, then, that Bigco.com contracts
> with
> >> Consort.com to provide remote access for Bigco's employees when
> they
> >> are traveling.  Suppose also that Consort.com is a roaming
> partner of
> >> Megatel.com, which operates hotspots in coffeehouses around the 
> >> world. A Bigco employee walks into a Megatel hotspot and tries to 
> >> access the network.  How does that work?  Does it work at all?
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> ~gwz
> 
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>   listening to John Coltrane? -- Henry Gabriel
>